what is the u.s.'s -- do we have an official policy on it or how do you think we would respond some. >> we have said -- well, america has said that they will use conventional attacks if a cyber attack was perpetrated against them. and that's the problem. >> conventional -- we would use -- >> we would view it as a missile. if a virus got in and messed up some centrifuges or took out an air defense or blew up an oil pipeline, right, anything like that. >> yeah. that's the fear, making nonkinetic violence kinetic violence. going from digital to conventional and this is probably going too far with the cyber threat. >> david, have you, talking to your sources in washington, what is their thinking about this? is it as brandon says that they're ready to go hard if they get hit with the stuxnet type virus? >> i think i've heard something a little different. if you read the pentagon policy, it is that they would use proportional force and they have not said whether or not it would be a return cyber attack or wh